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Then again, it seems like lighting the house on fire is a good way to force a few lurkers out of the shadows. I've been watching what gets posted and discussed on a handful of topics that interest me, but I'm still learning how to navigate the site, and figure out who's who. Reddit sort of trains you to talk to the subreddit, whereas here, the only person you're really talking to is the person you're replying to, and whoever else may be reading.





humanodon  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh, the lurkers lurk because they want to (or it seemed that way in a thread I can't find at the moment). Anyway, I wish there were something in the "create account" process that reminds users: Please, don't reddit on hubski.

Also, no one knows how to navigate the site because it's always changing.

wolo  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I lurk because I'm not here frequently enough to keep up with everything.. (aaand maybe because I'm a little intimidated of the 'core' hubski group -- y'all got some established report and whatnot)

nowaypablo  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

god damn it dude, I've been trying to tell everybody this and its still not clicking. I'm the second highest commenter on this site cause I get bored as fuck at work and there are things here that make me want to say words at them. I promise you, 99% of everything I comment has absolutely no value, and its the reason i was pro-muting in the mute arguments cause I would put it past nobody to mute me.

When I joined Hubski I got super interested and into it, then I got waaay intimidated and ended up "quitting." Then an awesome Hubsquad member pm'd me asking what's up, what happened and to come back. Then I did and realized that I'm taking this way to seriouslyyyyy. We're a bunch of guys with words and fingers and sometimes we use one to deliver the other, so do you. If you got something to post post it, if you got nothing to post post about that too, who cares. Just enjoy it!

wolo  ·  3805 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, I get that. And thanks for putting this out there. It may not be a big problem here since there are nifty features like muting and filtering available, but I do still think there is a lot value in lurking a bit first to get an idea of what's already there. Seems a bit like streaking through an unfamiliar neighborhood otherwise..

kleinbl00  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Or perhaps more importantly, the value of any comment is dependent on its context and that perfectly valueless things gain immensely depending on what they engender.

The phrase is "cheaper than dirt" right? Yet without dirt there are no rose gardens.

Treasure night soil as if it were gold.

- Chinese proverb

humanodon  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

For everyone else reading along, "night soil" is poo.

wolo  ·  3805 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The phrase "perfectly valueless" is twisting around my head in really fun ways right now. It's a neat little philosophical paradox.

kleinbl00  ·  3805 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Every now and then I drop a zen koan in there just to spice shit up.

YetAnotherAccount  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Or occasionally, the lurkers lurk because a poweruser on the site has blocked them which means that it is hard for them to comment on things.

crafty  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Either take your lumps as a sign you need to lurk more, or if you have such a valuable contribution, post it yourself. I'll read it and share it too if it's worthwhile. That's just how it works. Hard to start out, but if people who value your contributions follow you, it won't matter who mutes you.

_refugee_  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If a poweruser has blocked you, using kleinbl00 as an example simply because I don't have time to do math on someone else, that means you can't comment on (on average) about two posts a day, which at best represent less than 5% of all posts. That does not mean it is hard to comment on Hubski in general at all in any way.

kleinbl00  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oddly enough, I have him blocked... yet here he is.

user-inactivated  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Muting seems pretty buggy as of late.

My theory is that the more we talk about it, the more self-aware it becomes.

In other words, everyone shut the hell up about it.

camarillobrillo  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hear hear. I wish I could mute all this nonsense wasting the top spots of my feed. I'm all for friendly discussion but this horse is turning to glue.

humanodon  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

. . . yeah, I don't really get that at all but if that's your experience, ok.

user-inactivated  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm blocked by a couple of people on here -- gasp, shock, can it really be true -- and it never seems to bother me because by the very nature of selection they are the dudes I least want to talk to.

nowaypablo  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I still really want to know how many people have me on any of the three filters. Not who, just how many. It'd be funny.

_refugee_  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I have mutes :) Don't know how many. Come at me, brah

kleinbl00  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'll wager none.

I've yet to see you to be a dick to anybody. And that's what seems to move people - you're a spammer or you're a dick.

nowaypablo  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Eh, I hope so. As I said before I wouldn't take offense to it, I've got nothing to fret over if someone just wants to tailor the site so they can enjoy it how they like. 'Tis one of the things that makes Hubski unique.

Just take it easy braaah

lil  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    the only person you're really talking to is the person you're replying to, and whoever else may be reading.
Which is often quite a few people. Note the "chatter" link at the top of the page. People often look there to see recent conversations and join in. Others might click the "badge" link to see what some have felt badge-worthy -- although note: it might be ironically badged.
crafty  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I've seen people mention ironic badges. Context is king, I guess! It seems like a good way to encourage good discussion, or to call attention/focus discussion somewhere in particular.

lil  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ironic badging is rare. Most of the badged items express appreciation for something a reader found well-expressed.

humanodon  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  

Maybe it's just that I've been around for a little bit, but I've seen what seems like an increase in it and I'm not in favor of it. It's one thing for users to ironically badge things in the spirit of fun (at least I think that's how I got some badges), but using it to spotlight something the badger deems worthy of derision or ridicule seems on the cruel side to me.

. . . but let's not have this turn into an "issue" . . . please.

user-inactivated  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

When I see "ironic" badges from other people I mostly just want that shit out of my feed. It's one of those little egotistical poses that makes one feel clever in the moment but is really just annoying to everyone else. As if y'all care about the shitlord randos sniping at my posts.

edit: this doesn't mean I'm going to stop, I'm just going to contemptuously judge everyone who does it

_refugee_  ·  3805 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ironic badges slightly bother me because they prevent the "badged" page from truly representing the best content. However, they still represent a "cost" to the user who has badged them so I would hope that it still indicates the comment is worth reading, just perhaps with a different context in mind.

I do sometimes badge comments that I find hilarious, especially when out-of-context.

thenewgreen  ·  3805 days ago  ·  link  ·  

When we first introduced badges, the size if the community was much smaller. Therefore, it took longer to earn a badge as less people were sharing/appreciating your posts and comments. Now, I seem to get a new badge to give every single week. insomniasexx mentioned this in our Monday night team call and I think it's worth exploring slowing it down. It's supposed to be something hard earned and therefore special.

_refugee_  ·  3805 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I actually was thinking about that as well on a somewhat related issue. As we gain active users it becomes significantly easier to obtain a full wheel, but after the wheel becomes full it is no longer possible (from the post) to accurately see how valued (or circled) it continues to be. I was wondering if you might be open to considering weighting the circle system as votes accumulate. Or rather if anyone thought this might be a good idea. For example, I think that the first vote a post or comment gets should always yield a circle added to the comment. But what if after that it took, say, 2 additional people to click the post before it earned another circle, or something?

I don't think this is an imminent issue but I thought it was interesting. I had also considered how the speed of the site is changing.

b_b  ·  3805 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's hard to say what a good system is. Still, the majority of posts and comments get 0 or 1 share or click-of-approval, respectively. Then, out of the blue, something gets 20 shares, or who knows how many confidence clicks. Maybe throttling is the way to go: spoke 1 and 2 take one vote, three and four take two each, and so on. Not sure, but it's worth thinking about.

nowaypablo  ·  3805 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Another idea, perhaps when the 8 spokes complete the wheel in a comment, additional shares would come up as a tiny (+#) for how many upwheels it gets, like a super-superscript of the wheel. So a 12-upwheeled comment would have the fully-spoked circle with a tiny +4 beside it. Just a thought.

thenewgreen  ·  3805 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, it's being considered. I think it's more of an issue with comments than posts, currently. I like that I can see every user that has shared a post. But yeah, it's getting to point where we need to examine these things.

Hell  ·  3805 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Glad I'm not the only one who sees this. What is worse is when people threaten to ironic badge someone else as well, like demerit points on the chalk board. It's really childish.

humanodon  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, you badged my comment and now I don't know what to think . . .

_refugee_  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree.

Meriadoc  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I feel like there's a philosophical aspect to ironic badging that I really love. minimum_wage started it and it's feels like this postmodernist degradation of the concept of value. I like it especially because it makes seems like it discourages badging of simple funny comments instead of well thought out quality posts. So either getting a badge means you did really, really well, or did something horrible, and it's a riot. I love it.

But yeah let's not have something else for new people who just got here to complain about.

nowaypablo  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Haven't you heard? They're opening a Hubski Museum of Modern Badges, yeah it's super progressive and ironic, I hear the debut exhibition is a collection of ahametals posts on a canvas. Million dollar price tag, too.

Meriadoc  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

But really tho ahametals is one of the most fascinating things I've ever seen.

nowaypablo  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

He's so apologetic, innocent..

plotting...

user-inactivated  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Don't hate, a gal's gotta pay rent

user-inactivated  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hubskina m_w and regular m_w are the same person confirmed

user-inactivated  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You give me too much credit.

Meriadoc  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My love for it is unadulterated, regardless of original intent. I declare you resident philosopher.

b_b  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think we should make it so badges given to content on posts tagged #hubski don't show up in the badge sub.

user-inactivated  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What's the reasoning behind that? The fact that meta-threads are usually the crappiest ones?

b_b  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, and I don't like that new users are often pointed there for "good" content. It's not exactly a good intro.

user-inactivated  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree. Also don't think ironic badging should be a thing. I mean users are allowed to badge whatever they want, but it's kind of like the passive aggressive retweet of someone talking smack about you, and letting your followers do the insulting and fighting for you.

thenewgreen  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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ghostoffuffle  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

re. lil's "chatter" point- this has been my no. 1 tool to get familiar with the voices/online personalities (hopefully close-ish to real-life) of various Hubski users. I still use it all the time. First off, it's a great way to see what subjects people are coalescing around. Second off, if you've shared a post or commented on that post, chatter brings up all comments on that post, whether you follow the users or not. Which has been a great way to broaden the list of people I follow. Generally though, you pay enough attention to chatter, and you start to recognize users just by their voice.

_refugee_  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I have only recently started using "chatter" and "global" because I read other users talking about them. I enjoy both. "Chatter" is a good opportunity to walk into a conversation in the middle, usually elicited by a hilarious out-of-context comment or a long, thoughtful one.

Instead of exploring "global" more though I may begin exploring "posts with 0 shares" and "posts with 1 share." Global doesn't do exactly what I want it to do, I suspect it is because most of the posts in global show up in my feed already.

briandmyers  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    if you've shared a post or commented on that post, chatter brings up all comments on that post, whether you follow the users or not.

I'm pretty sure that simply commenting on a post does not bring comments from non-followed users into your chatter. Maybe it should.

b_b  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hmmm. Good idea. I think that's probably an easy fix, if we ask forwardslash really nicely.

ghostoffuffle  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Either commenting or sharing... Or maybe both together? Never really thought about which one did it. Something like that...

cgod  ·  3806 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't follow any tags, just people. I have other sites that use to follow specific topics, I come here to see the things and views that I'm not getting somewhere else.