"A person I knew used to divide human beings into three categories:
■ those who prefer having nothing to hide rather than being obliged to lie,
■ those who prefer lying to having nothing to hide,
■ and finally those who like both lying and the hidden."
-- Camus, from The FallThere are three kinds of people in the world:
● honest people who say they will take all your money, and then do.
● dishonest people who say they want to help you, but end up taking all your money
● and incompetent people -- who really do want to help you, but somehow end up taking all your money.
-- My friend, DH, from his life"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
I tell people that I am too lazy to lie most of the time. It is not that I cannot do it or I have not, but the pay-off I have grown to consider, more and more, not worth it. Lies take a lot of oeffort. You have to make them, make them well, tell them convincingly, and most importantly: keep them all straight. Who you told which one to, who knows the truth. What you'd say if one of the first group ran into one of the second. For however long the lie and the fact it hides are relevant, and usually if you are bothering to lie in the first place that is going to be a very long time. Naaaah. I love stories and telling them, but I try to keep it clear when something's fiction.those who prefer having nothing to hide rather than being obliged to lie,
It doesn't sound plausible to me, because two of the three are liars but only the last is a successful liar. The wrong way to tell a lie is to make up a story and tell it, because then you provide more detail when lying than when telling the truth, and you both have a lot of detail to trip yourself up with and attract scrutiny by making your lies memorable stories. The right way to tell a lie is to say as little as possible. If you're usually forthcoming, though, you have to say enough to not attract scrutiny by being evasive. If you're evasive even when you're telling the truth, then you can say as little as you need.
Tell us about your experience with living a double life. You seem knowledgeable! Of course, you can be fictional. I would believe you though, even if it were a lie. I would believe you the way I believe all the self-presentations people project onto the hubskiverse.
I have no interesting stories about lying, just a fascination left over from wanting to be a magician when I was a child. I mostly tell the boring lies that you tell when you're from the south, are neither religious nor socially conservative, and don't like conflict.
does it have to be three? "There are 10 kinds of people in the world. those who understand binary, and those who don't." "There are two kinds of people - those who work to live, and those whose lives are their work"
I like the second one a lot, but it also makes me sad because there are many people who would love to live the second kind of life that are unable to by reason of circumstance, and must put aside their passion and work to live. there's not exactly much I can do about it, but it makes me sad anyways.
I was in a class in grad school recently called The Woman Manager which ended up being about how women get stuck in mid-level management and how the gender gap is tragic etc. When we started going around the class, I realized that everyone around me had already made the decision to live to work, and I have been staunchly against that since 2012 when I got out of the military. When they talked about themselves everything was job this and then family. When they talked about their families it was almost perfunctory rather than pride. Their dreams were of better jobs and more responsibility. That's what they dream of. More work. Can you imagine? I dream of retiring tomorrow and building a log cabin on land I own. I dream of buying so much art I run out of space. What the hell happened to these people? When I talk about myself I breeze over the job I get paid for and talk about what I fund. I volunteer with a group that builds trails in Missouri. I work on artistic projects and I write. Who gives a shit that I run Excel spreadsheets really well? I don't and it pays well. I work to live. It's pretty easy to tell the two people apart.
Me too, lets start a club. Only very mildly joking about that. My career is interesting, and I plan on doing lots of good for a fair few people over the course of it. But it really is just the best way I can think of to fund my dreams of living on the side of a mountain somewhere. Can you imagine? I dream of retiring tomorrow and building a log cabin on land I own.
Have you read the Foxfire books? They were a project that a high school history class did in the 70s which asked all the older people in the area about their rural childhood. This place was still pretty rural so in reality what they got was how the hell the world used to work before modern technology made it what it is today. The first book covers "Hog Dressing, Log Cabin Building, Mountain Crafts and Foods, Planting by the Signs, Snake Lore, Hunting Tales, Faith Healing, Moonshining, and Other Affairs of Plain Living". It is the instruction manual for restarting society. Combine with the Open Source Ecology Project and you got a stew going baby.
I'm currently working to live. I have other interests, and hobbies, etc, but I'd rather be working a job that I can dedicate my life to. The trick is to keep having hobbies and other interests. Like you, one must have Passion for something. there are so many people who become singularly focused on their job that it stifles their creativity, their ability to connect dots in new ways and innovate. There was a really interesting Ideas Podcast on creativity a while back, and the thing I really got out of it was that You need to know your topic inside and out, learn everything around it, tangential relations, etc. - The go do something else so that your brain can make connections.
sp00ns, yellowoftops interesting thoughtful discussion... love this.
There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.
I subscribe deeply to the Robot, Pirate, Ninja theory not just of acting, but also of life!
Yesterday I said to my wife that "there are people with no original ideas or motivation, there are people with original ideas but no motivation and then there are people with original ideas and the motivation to see them to fruition. I prefer #3."
Julia Philips, You'll Never Eat Lunch In This Town Again, pp. 98An acquaintance had cautioned her long before, when it first started coming in, and she had confided how uneasy the money made her. He said "there is a saying, who knows from what culture, that people relate to money in one of three ways: one, like blood, to nourish; two, like sperm, to create; or three, like shit - to be gotten rid of..." they both knew she stood firmly behind door number three.